I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU]

Subject: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:38 pm

Hello guys. I am not gonna bother having any intro talk at all so here's the team:

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Cresslia@Choice scarf
Bold nature
EV: 176 HP. 80 SpAk. 252 Spe

Trick
Thunder wave
Ice beam
Shadow ball

Yay, TrickCress! Bet ya haven't seen this before. This idéa came up in my head when i saw Cresselia learned Trick(it wasn't harder than that). This EV Spread is great as it allows me to have decent bulk and Speed. Those SpAk evs are just because attacking is never bad. This lead can actually grant me the win or atleast advantage pretty easy, T-waving opponent's sweepers, killing Mence and giving a scarf to someone. Ice beam + Shadow ball = Decent. When looking for two attacking moves to give this the list were like: Grass knot, Psychic, Shadow ball and Ice beam. Those two seems to have the best synenergy.

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I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Spr_b_g4_130_m

Gyarados@Life orb
Adamant nature
EV: 4 HP. 252 Atk. 252 Spe.

Dragon dance
Stone edge
Earthquake
Waterfall

This set is idéal for set-up sweeping. Gyarados natural bulk gives him alot of time to set-up. Although i kinda hate Stealth rock. Life orb and SR kinda beats this guy up in the length. Stone edge >> Ice fang is some kinda policy i have when it comes to Gyarados as Stone edge OHKOs Salamence to and it hits other Gyaras. I don't really know what to write mor about this guy as this is 100% standard set.

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I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Spr_b_g4_376

Metagross@Choice band
Adamant nature
EV: 112 HP. 252 Atk. 146SpDf

Meteor mash
Bullet punch
Earthquake
Ice punch

Metagross >> Scizor. This guy is holy jeez amazing. With the natural bulk and this EV spread, taking hits isn't a problem, neither dealing them out is. Explosion isn't something i want to put on this set rather than Ice punch as Ice punch currently are doing me a big favour in killing Mence and gang. This guy has over 600 attack which is kinda crazy. I find this guys Meteor mashes sawing through teams very often with it's attack boost and STAB. I just don't want to remove this. Do NOT suggest Scizor in here.

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I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Spr_b_g4_145

Zapdos@Life orb
Timid nature
EV: 4 Df. 252 SpAk. 252 Spe.

Roost
Thunder bolt
Heat wave
HP [Ice]

Standard heal+3 attacking moves. I'm gonna keep this description short as there aren't much to say. He is just there as a mid-game sweeper and Scizor counter. At first i were using Gengar but i just felt he was dead weight so i switched to this guy. This guy hates rocks to so together with Gyarados a spinner is highly needed. That's where the next guys come in, Claydol. Jeez i must make this dexription a bit longer soon.

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I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Spr_b_g4_344

Claydol@Leftovers
Impish nature
EV: 252 HP. 252 Def. 4 HP

Rapid spin
Explosion
Stealth rock
Earthquake

Finally the hazard set-upper and hazard spin-awayer :). This is like the base of this whole team. What i would do without this guy is hard to say but it wouldn't be that much action. As with Zapdos and Gyarados a Rapid spinner is highly required. If you feel like switching out this pokemon please don't leave me without a spinner. Earthquake is here as a filler and Explosion is there when i feel like splatting Claydol-slime over the whole DS screen. I have tested Dual screens, SR and Rapid spin but i fastly understood it wasn't right.

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Jirachi@Life orb
Jolly nature
EV: 4 HP. 252 Atk. 252 Spe

Iron head
Fire punch
U-turn
Wish

Yeasae! I love this guy in here. Being able to kill Celebi, Latias and Scizor with ease and Wish pass he makes fast worth the money. The standard Iron head + Serene grace functions here to. Othwerwise there's yer again not much oto say here. He's main function is as i said to Wish pass, mainly to Gyarados and Metagross as they can't heal themselvs. I'll edit in a bit longer description later.

That's all for this time, hope you feel like rating ;D.

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:38 pm

Scizor- Gyarados Intimidate
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Salamence- Life orb + SR tears him down fast. He can't come in on that much.
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Tyranitar- Not really a problem, Metagross Jirachi and Gyarados can kill
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Latias- I have no real counter, but he'll die soon anyways Very Happy

Heatran- Gyarados
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Gyarados- Zapdos
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Metagross- Zapdos walls and kills
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Jirachi- Zapdos can kill
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Infernape- Gyarados
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Lucario- Zapdos
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Gengar- No real couter here, but he get killed with LO and a few attacks.
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Rotom-H- Same as Gengar
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Swampert- IDK. he can't cause any trouble
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Starmie- Zapdos
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Blissey- Gyarados and Jirachi
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Azelf- Claydol explodes
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Gliscor- Zapdos
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Magnezone- Claydol
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Skarmory- Zapdos
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Machamp

Vapereon

Breloom

Dragonite

Zapdos

Flygon

Kingdra

Suicune

Celebi

Jolteon

Empoleon

Forretress
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Bronzong

Togekiss

Electivire
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Snorlax

Aerodactyl
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Weavile

Tentacruel
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Dusknoir

Mamoswine

Roserade

Smeargle

Hippowdon

Ninjask

Heracross

Rotom-W

Porygon-Z

Cresselia

Rotom-C

Umbreon

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:24 am

I love teams like this that use less common pokemon to accomplish their goal. I'm not sure what to suggest right now it is just so...foreign.

Claydol stops Jolteon. Gyarados can probably stop an Empoleon sweep. Claydol can rapid spin a Hippowdon that is going on a roaring spree.

Snorlax / Curse might be good against this team? Seems solid. I'd like to play it.

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:43 am

Ulver wrote:: I love teams like this that use less common pokemon to accomplish their goal. I'm not sure what to suggest right now it is just so...foreign.

Claydol stops Jolteon. Gyarados can probably stop an Empoleon sweep. Claydol can rapid spin a Hippowdon that is going on a roaring spree.

Snorlax / Curse might be good against this team? Seems solid. I'd like to play it.

Haha, actually yesterday i thought "Sh!t Snorlax kills this team" because he really does. Although i'm not quite sure if i need to change something for that as Snorlax isn't used alot at all.

Yea what you say about that i use a bit less used pokemons were a bit like the idéa for the team, and for me it works out fine.

If you want to test the team on the ladder or for funmatches, go on ;D!

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:07 am

I don't get what cress can do that rachi or uxie can't. Theoretically, rachi can learn Trick, T-wave, ice punch and HP ghost an which rachi would be faster and more powerful. Uxie can learn T-wave, trick, HP ice and shadow ball. Go body slam on rachi for para flinch.

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:03 am

calze6 wrote:: I don't get what cress can do that rachi or uxie can't. Theoretically, rachi can learn Trick, T-wave, ice punch and HP ghost an which rachi would be faster and more powerful. Uxie can learn T-wave, trick, HP ice and shadow ball. Go body slam on rachi for para flinch.

The main purpose of using Cresselia lead is of course it's unpredicability because trickscarfrachi and uxie is way too predictable that it will anticipate quite easier.It have something better than Uxie though which is obviously better bulk

A typo error on Claydol

Quote :: EV: 252 HP. 252 Def. 4 HP

Did you mean 4 SpD or other thing?
btw i thing if you want more of offensive spinner with still gaining physical bulk i recommend Donphan because Donphan is more physically bulky than Claydol while it cannot be trapped with Pursuit which is fatal because you need your rapid spinner to keep alive and you already have zapdos,cresselia and gyarados so levitate is not so important

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Donphan @Leftovers
Ability :Sturdy
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Nature :Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin
-Earthquake
-Assurance/Stone Edge

252 HP is gaining physical bulk and so it can take hit from special side relatively well,even with only 4 Def investment it already reach great amount of physical defence,Donphan can also act as your physical sweeper with it's decent base 120 Attack stat

This is all for now and good luck with your team I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Icon_smile

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:57 am

No one will think that lead rachi or uxie will have ice punch and HP ice respectively either.

Subject: Re: I abuse TrickCressLead. [OU] Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:32 am

Thanks for the rate Zapdos.

Yes the reason for TrickLeadCress is because none knows what to predict.

That Donphan seems really promising. I'll try it out, although i'll not edit it into the CRMT right now due to lack of time. Although i'm thinking about Ice shard, thoughts?